tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10290429.post1835103462236799621..comments2023-11-02T06:37:23.839-06:00Comments on daveberta.ca: solidarity through intimidation?davebertahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06822739409684978316noreply@blogger.comBlogger42125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10290429.post-44692979511899971212009-04-05T21:01:00.000-06:002009-04-05T21:01:00.000-06:00Woah. Ok. So, I stepped away from the blog for abo...Woah. <BR/><BR/>Ok. So, I stepped away from the blog for about 48 hours and the comments in this post got a little crazy. Maybe I underestimated some of the negative tension between some NDP members, but I'm not very pleased with the personal attacks by anonymous commenters in this post. I'm going to freeze the commenting function on this post until I can clean up some of the more insulting comments.<BR/><BR/>For those of you interested in personally attacking and slandering people on the internet, there are plenty of anonymously written blogs that you can post on (and as the author/publisher of this blog, I also wish to avoid and libelous statements).<BR/><BR/>- Dave Cournoyerdavebertahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06822739409684978316noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10290429.post-40330352030484354442009-04-05T19:04:00.000-06:002009-04-05T19:04:00.000-06:00I'm really disapointed Dave, you've sunk to the le...I'm really disapointed Dave, you've sunk to the level of Tiny Perfect Blog - passing on meaningless gossip and trying to blow it up for partisan gain.<BR/><BR/>I would have thought your recent distance from the Liberal party would have made it easier for you to avoid that trap.Shaunnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10290429.post-36164120806269624502009-04-05T18:17:00.000-06:002009-04-05T18:17:00.000-06:00Stupid dippers... Holmwood, I don't know who you a...Stupid dippers... Holmwood, I don't know who you are but I love it. Keep it up!stuck in camp and reading schlock.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10290429.post-86183332471708366732009-04-05T17:35:00.000-06:002009-04-05T17:35:00.000-06:00Nice soap opera. I love it.I hope there's a few un...Nice soap opera. I love it.<BR/><BR/>I hope there's a few union bosses reading this and wondering what they're doing wasting their members' money to fund Lou Arab's War on Relevance through that "associate membership" scam. But I doubt it.Lloyd Snelgrove's Creepy Goateenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10290429.post-50263278338695773712009-04-05T14:55:00.000-06:002009-04-05T14:55:00.000-06:00This does not surprise me that the higher ups of t...This does not surprise me that the higher ups of the ANDP would try to stop folks from commenting on actions. <BR/><BR/>There are many things wrong with politics here in Alberta. One of them is being involved with a political party other than the ruling party. So I don't see why the ANDP would want to hinder voices or activities of members. Unless the certain power click wants to keep the power. <BR/><BR/>We will never get a head by keeping our head in the sand and not dealing with the issues that need to be dealt with. I know the ANDP if it does not get its act together and start including other opinions will not go any farther than what seat count they presently have.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10290429.post-91473191139168104822009-04-05T12:23:00.000-06:002009-04-05T12:23:00.000-06:00Classic. Nothing instills more confidence in the N...Classic. Nothing instills more confidence in the NDP than nd activists airing petty internal party grievances and slanders on a Liberal blog.<BR/><BR/>Conversely, nothing instills more confidence in the Liberals than petty rumors and grievances being aired on tinyperfectblog. <BR/><BR/>And people wonder why the Conservatives win. Here's lesson #1 you idiots: Don't do your laundry in public. If you're too stupid to get that, maybe it's time to move on to something new.Yes we can't!noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10290429.post-18808388667620151942009-04-04T23:37:00.000-06:002009-04-04T23:37:00.000-06:00NDP = Workers Party of Korea wannabe'sEspousing th...NDP = Workers Party of Korea wannabe's<BR/><BR/>Espousing the benefits of the glorious workers paradise, social justice for all, Cradle to Grave government services. Government owns everything, runs everything.<BR/><BR/>But they don't tell you.<BR/><BR/>End of Free Speech, freedom of movement, confinement to re-education camps. daily self criticism sessions. State run media and propaganda.<BR/><BR/>The NDP is notorious for demanding discipline from party members, there has never been anything resembling free thought or votes allowed from any candidate to MP / MLA.Chosun Workers Partynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10290429.post-20406905346900710812009-04-04T17:59:00.000-06:002009-04-04T17:59:00.000-06:00Wow. Talk about amateur hour. Looks like we've dis...Wow. Talk about amateur hour. Looks like we've discovered who the real 'futility faction' is: the Alberta NDP.<BR/><BR/>The NDP candidate in my riding got 3% of the vote in the last election and the NDP got 4% of the Calgary-wide vote. They are pretty much irrelevant and their support is almost non-existent in Calgary.Michael from Calgarynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10290429.post-79267571662981447292009-04-04T17:22:00.000-06:002009-04-04T17:22:00.000-06:00But you are right, let's replace the four with Dav...<I>But you are right, let's replace the four with Dave Malka, Beth Wichar and Anand Sharma. Much better. They've NEVER pissed anyone off, and have a much better record or working hard, raising money and electing candidates.</I><BR/><BR/>might be better than what 'we' got...anon 10:38noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10290429.post-38545017301338001222009-04-04T17:20:00.000-06:002009-04-04T17:20:00.000-06:00What nonsense. Anand Sharma was elected President....<I>What nonsense. Anand Sharma was elected President. Did those four rubber stamp that?</I><BR/><BR/>No, Chris, but if you remember they did everything they could to prevent it... But thanks for an example of when they didn't have their way... there arent manyanon 10:38noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10290429.post-58923387366970132302009-04-04T15:02:00.000-06:002009-04-04T15:02:00.000-06:00Nonesense. Are you seriously telling me you thoug...Nonesense. Are you seriously telling me you thought the LAO had policy about <I>why</I> an MLA might choose one partisan event over another?Chrisnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10290429.post-17745371918331069282009-04-04T14:46:00.000-06:002009-04-04T14:46:00.000-06:00never said anything about just scheduling them for...never said anything about just scheduling them for partisan events. Right from the start they said he was doing it to manipulate party business.<BR/>You're just conveniently ignoring what you know you can't argue against.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10290429.post-50773437710127244282009-04-04T14:36:00.000-06:002009-04-04T14:36:00.000-06:00Given how accurate you were in claiming to be 'fai...Given how accurate you were in claiming to be 'fairly certain' scheduling MLAs to partisan events was 'against LAO policy, if not the law' I'll take your assertion that Pearson engaged in those activities with a grain of salt.Chrisnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10290429.post-75502681400166460412009-04-04T14:08:00.000-06:002009-04-04T14:08:00.000-06:00However, for Pearson to imply that he will use his...However, for Pearson to imply that he will use his position to garner special privileges to those who side with him in internal party matters, but not to those who do not, likely is against the rules, and even if it is not, it is morally reprehensible.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10290429.post-57034129373761965372009-04-04T13:55:00.000-06:002009-04-04T13:55:00.000-06:00MLAs are allowed to attend partisan events. And t...MLAs are allowed to attend partisan events. And their staff are allowed to schedule them to attend. That's not against LAO rules.Chrisnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10290429.post-78871888286688416312009-04-04T13:40:00.000-06:002009-04-04T13:40:00.000-06:00Chris,You're right, Rob Pearson is a bastard. I no...Chris,<BR/>You're right, Rob Pearson is a bastard. I noticed you omitted the part about Rob using his position as a non-partisan Legislative Assembly employee to try to manipulate party business. I'm fairly certain that is against LAO policy, if not the law.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10290429.post-9044247683955702012009-04-04T13:22:00.000-06:002009-04-04T13:22:00.000-06:00Anand, I mean Anon 10:38 said: "Everything that co...Anand, I mean Anon 10:38 said: "Everything that counts for anything has to be rubber stamped by Houston, Notley, Arab and Mason"<BR/><BR/>What nonsense. Anand Sharma was elected President. Did those four rubber stamp that?<BR/><BR/>But you are right, let's replace the four with Dave Malka, Beth Wichar and Anand Sharma. Much better. They've NEVER pissed anyone off, and have a much better record or working hard, raising money and electing candidates.<BR/><BR/>Anon 3:17 said:<BR/>"..Rob Pearson using his position at the caucus to allude to excited youth who have volunteered to be federal candidates that he could help them out during the campaign by getting Rachel Notley or Brian Mason out to their events."<BR/><BR/>Wow. What. A. Bastard.<BR/><BR/>Anon 10:47 said:<BR/>"Seems to me that Sloychuk attempts to recruit those that he thinks he can manipulate to do his own bidding, like Mike Butler."<BR/><BR/>Way to make friends.Chrisnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10290429.post-47440259694948341202009-04-04T13:12:00.000-06:002009-04-04T13:12:00.000-06:00I completely agree with the gist of most of the cr...<I>I completely agree with the gist of most of the criticisms of the ANDP above (and in the previous post - everyone knows its happening (or has already happened!).</I><BR/><BR/>And yet we all wait for Denny/Anand to provide any evidence, other than simple assertions.ABBA to the endnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10290429.post-71242113139870615522009-04-04T12:00:00.000-06:002009-04-04T12:00:00.000-06:00Could the Anonymous people at least make up intere...Could the Anonymous people at least make up interesting fake names so it's easier to follow this and comment?<BR/><BR/>Party of One's suggestion of a non-partisan group to discuss topics with their elected official is amazing but could it ever happen? Does Linda Duncan want or need to engage with those in her riding that work for Big Oil (even those that work for Big Oil and own kitchen tables?) Does a Laurie Hawn want to meet with the local arts community (or do they want to meet with him?)<BR/><BR/>Often groups find it way better just to complain over their Trad than ask to meet and talk.<BR/><BR/>Paula Simons grading of Brian Mason was pretty accurate. He's a perfect example of a politician who sounds like he revels in opposition where as you could actually see Rachel Notley as a cabinet minister.Konstantin Chernenkonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10290429.post-29000619944129332692009-04-04T11:03:00.000-06:002009-04-04T11:03:00.000-06:00Maybe if Arab would stay out of his wife's busines...Maybe if Arab would stay out of his wife's business things would be better, who knows.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10290429.post-25994416001044745522009-04-04T10:47:00.000-06:002009-04-04T10:47:00.000-06:00You're right Butler, there probably are only two o...You're right Butler, there probably are only two or three people righting the anonymous comments. I'm sure some of them are Sloychuk and Arab.<BR/><BR/>He can recruit all the members he wants, that doesn't make him infallible or forgive him if he was in fact harassing members.<BR/>Seems to me that Sloychuk attempts to recruit those that he thinks he can manipulate to do his own bidding, like Mike Butler.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10290429.post-77768173762256972812009-04-04T10:28:00.000-06:002009-04-04T10:28:00.000-06:00Okay... come on guys. I'm sure there are probably ...Okay... come on guys. I'm sure there are probably two or three peopel posting all of this. It's unnecessary - and childish. Bring it back to the executive board k?<BR/><BR/>And demeaning the staff? Sloychuk who has probably recruited more candidates than any other person in the province? Sloychuk who has almost single-handedly recruited more new members and activists than any other member? Sloychuk who throws his life and soul into the NDP? Leave him alone. Take it up with the executive if you have a problem, but me and many many more party members will stand behind Sloychuk for as long as he wants to continue his thankless job of working for the party.<BR/><BR/>And my name is put to this - where's yours Anon 3:17?<BR/><BR/>Mike Butler.Michael Butlerhttp://butlerpetition.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10290429.post-57931247010529879972009-04-03T22:38:00.000-06:002009-04-03T22:38:00.000-06:00I completely agree with the gist of most of the cr...I completely agree with the gist of most of the criticisms of the ANDP above (and in the previous post - everyone knows its happening (or has already happened!). Slowly but surly the party has been taken over by a bunch control freaks and political hacks. Everything that counts for anything has to be rubber stamped by Houston, Notley, Arab and Mason, not to mention a group of staff who are too scared for their jobs to deviate from the party line, to in fact think for themselves, do what is best for to build a movement with depth. This toxic mix of paranoid stalinism will drive the party into the ground if it is not prevented anytime soon. However, if nothing changes I wonder if anyone will even notice - it is a party that can't even live up to the low expectations that are placed on it. Lost half your seats? big deal...business as usual!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10290429.post-22223299504111561522009-04-03T18:47:00.000-06:002009-04-03T18:47:00.000-06:00Anon 2:39 said:The sad part in all of this is that...Anon 2:39 said:<I>The sad part in all of this is that Denny was just speaking truth to power. Nothing he said was false, it just wasn't very flattering and so Mr. Arab has asked his party to white wash it.</I><BR/><BR/>On the contrary, everything Denny was false, which is why he hasn't used names or produced evidence to back himself up. He's been spreading that stuff for months, and everytime he gets challenged to put up or shut up, he goes silent.<BR/><BR/>Most of what Denny says does is likely scripted by Anand Sharma (Denny's not real bright) which is why he's unable to respond when asked for details. Sharma hates getting his hands dirty, so he gets others to do the slagging for him.ABBA to the endnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10290429.post-45605536917141531872009-04-03T17:11:00.000-06:002009-04-03T17:11:00.000-06:00Alberta Centrist- nice idea, but I would pointedly...Alberta Centrist- nice idea, but I would pointedly AVOID having MLA's or party executive speak, if what you want is for them to LISTEN.<BR/><BR/>They can respond by action, rather than more meaningless, politically calculated words.<BR/><BR/>When Malcolm Azania ran for the Federal ND's in Edmonton Strathcona, one of his suggestions was that each riding have a non-partisan political resource centre that would help citizens generally(in the way that constituency associations are supposed to, but without the partisan quid pro quo motivation), do some education-like seminars regarding process and structure, maybe host issue based discussions, etc. I thought that was a good idea then, and still do.Party of Onehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03968802522515657048noreply@blogger.com