tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10290429.post115622411311865225..comments2023-11-02T06:37:23.839-06:00Comments on daveberta.ca: stop ted morton's bill 208!davebertahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06822739409684978316noreply@blogger.comBlogger28125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10290429.post-1165318156450788252006-12-05T04:29:00.000-07:002006-12-05T04:29:00.000-07:00"cally. said... Morton reminds me of Craig Chandle..."cally. said... <BR/>Morton reminds me of Craig Chandler. I debated with him when he ran for mayor of Calgary... wow, what a nutbar..."<BR/><BR/>I NEVER ran for Mayor! It just shows people lie to promote their own agenda. Sad, very sad.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10290429.post-1156805919090037072006-08-28T16:58:00.000-06:002006-08-28T16:58:00.000-06:00Yes, Jay. Let's be a tolerent society who tolerate...Yes, Jay. Let's be a tolerent society who tolerates the intolerent. <BR/><BR/>I think you just oxymoronized.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10290429.post-1156711187659648232006-08-27T14:39:00.000-06:002006-08-27T14:39:00.000-06:00What a mondo major limp-wrist mental retard bed we...What a mondo major limp-wrist mental retard bed wetter virtually begging for a walk behind the barn for severe, but much needed correction. Talk about a poster boy for mercy killing.<BR/><BR/>Unbelievable.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10290429.post-1156633632344596072006-08-26T17:07:00.000-06:002006-08-26T17:07:00.000-06:00It's clear that our children are not smart enough ...It's clear that our children are not smart enough to think for themselves. If we don't allow our children to opt-out of these unsavory educations, the moral core of our society will rot. I say: Down with Public Schools! There is no room for anti-religious secularistic liberal/communist crusaders in our schools. Fully religious schools are the only solution! GOD IS THE ONLY WAY!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10290429.post-1156513443426531202006-08-25T07:44:00.000-06:002006-08-25T07:44:00.000-06:00No matter what party affiliation you have, call yo...No matter what party affiliation you have, call your MLA to attend.<BR/><BR/>If your conservtaive and your MLA is not and you don't want to sit in the public gallery then call a conservative MLA for tickets.Allie Wojtaszekhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17288605727373925328noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10290429.post-1156495511725082892006-08-25T02:45:00.000-06:002006-08-25T02:45:00.000-06:00There will be a protest/rally at the Leg tomorrow ...There will be a protest/rally at the Leg tomorrow (Friday) at 1pm.<BR/><BR/>I think the more worrisome aspect of this bill is the anti-education aspects. While same-sex marriage is a hotly debated issue and important, the idea of removing discussion on GLBTQ issues in schools is just terrifying to me. Like we don't have enough problems with the suicides of questioning teens and homophobic violence already.<BR/><BR/>A prejudice towards a group cannot be allowed to affect the judgement of a teacher on what they want to teach.<BR/><BR/>- TamaraAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10290429.post-1156481218681885172006-08-24T22:46:00.000-06:002006-08-24T22:46:00.000-06:00I will be there Monday to oppose this bill. I wil...I will be there Monday to oppose this bill. I will be there with, what I hope will be, many many others.<BR/><BR/>I want to see this thing come to a vote at some point though, only to see how the various PC leadership candidates vote. If Dave Hancock cannot find the time to be in town for an issue like this, then he is not the Red-Tory saviour many of you are parading him to be. Perhaps someone on the Tory benches will stand up and surprise us all by calling this bill what it is: Bullshit.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10290429.post-1156465388617735702006-08-24T18:23:00.000-06:002006-08-24T18:23:00.000-06:00Morton reminds me of Craig Chandler. I debated wit...Morton reminds me of Craig Chandler. I debated with him when he ran for mayor of Calgary... wow, what a nutbar...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10290429.post-1156465237319412872006-08-24T18:20:00.000-06:002006-08-24T18:20:00.000-06:00I'm really glad to hear that Dave Hancock will opp...I'm really glad to hear that Dave Hancock will oppose this Bill - I'm really disappointed to hear that he won't be around to voice his opposition though. Will his campaign be sending out a press release? I'd like to see him take a stand in the media. It would present him as a strong leader, where Jim Dinning is taking the mushy middle of not offering an opinion. It's Hancock's time to step up and tell Ted Morton that this sort of behavior is not acceptable in 21st Century Alberta.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10290429.post-1156438818093526232006-08-24T11:00:00.000-06:002006-08-24T11:00:00.000-06:00"There is no place for this kind of blatant discri..."There is no place for this kind of blatant discrimination in taxpayer supported PUBLIC systems."<BR/><BR/>BINGO! That is exactly the point to hit on!davebertahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06822739409684978316noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10290429.post-1156382047341151112006-08-23T19:14:00.000-06:002006-08-23T19:14:00.000-06:00Bill 208 is pure discrimination and totally unwarr...Bill 208 is pure discrimination and totally unwarranted. In reply to an earlier comment - I have spoken with Dave Hancock and know he is opposed to it. <BR/><BR/>SSM is settled law in this country and to be trying to legalize discriminiation that is illegal under the Charter is at best pointless tinkering and at worst pandering to prejudice and discrimination.<BR/><BR/>"Conscientious" objectors are already "taken care of" - they can refuse such services as private groups like churches and private schools. <BR/><BR/>There is no place for this kind of blatant discrimination in taxpayer supported PUBLIC systems.<BR/><BR/>We are a pluralist and inclusive society in Alberta. This Bill is beyond embarrasing.kenchapmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11384045981190810115noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10290429.post-1156382024675610442006-08-23T19:13:00.000-06:002006-08-23T19:13:00.000-06:00Bill 208 is pure discrimination and totally unwarr...Bill 208 is pure discrimination and totally unwarranted. In reply to an earlier comment - I have spoken with Dave Hancock and know he is opposed to it. <BR/><BR/>SSM is settled law in this country and to be trying to legalize discriminiation that is illegal under the Charter is at best pointless tinkering and at worst pandering to prejudice and discrimination.<BR/><BR/>"Conscientious" objectors are already "taken care of" - they can refuse such services as private groups like churches and private schools. <BR/><BR/>There is no place for this kind of blatant discrimination in taxpayer supported PUBLIC systems.<BR/><BR/>We are a pluralist and inclusive society in Alberta. This Bill is beyond embarrasing.kenchapmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11384045981190810115noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10290429.post-1156377048089426472006-08-23T17:50:00.000-06:002006-08-23T17:50:00.000-06:00I'm sure Jim Dinning's response would be:“The firs...I'm sure Jim Dinning's response would be:<BR/><BR/>“The first is that we need to say out loud: [same-sex marriage] is an industry for our future, not just our past The [same-sex marriage] industry has been the heart and soul of this province. And in spite of the fact that [gays] and [lesbians] have endured some terrible blows in the past few years – from [Bill 208] and everything in between – we can’t accept that a decline and eventual demise of Alberta’s [same-sex marriage] industry is inevitable. It isn’t. There are things that can and must be done.”<BR/><BR/>or<BR/><BR/>“My point is, we can choose to be better. We can say: every child will learn [about same-sex marriage] at a Grade 3 level by the time they’re 10 years old. We can raise the bar on high [same-sex marriage] rates and say 90% of students will finish high school. We can really raise the bar and say: every [same-sex couple] will have a place in a program somewhere in one of Alberta’s post-secondary institutions.”<BR/><BR/>Liberties taken from the strong Jim Dinning policies at http://jimdinning.ca/policies.htmAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10290429.post-1156376671411207022006-08-23T17:44:00.000-06:002006-08-23T17:44:00.000-06:00Only Ted Morton would bring back such a regressive...Only Ted Morton would bring back such a regressive peice of legislation after it was already destroyed in the assembly a first time.<BR/><BR/>Where do the other PC leadership candidates stand on this issue? I would like to see them take a stand on this - it's called leadership! Would it be a safe bet to say that only Dave Hancock would oppose it out of that group?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10290429.post-1156364075048853772006-08-23T14:14:00.000-06:002006-08-23T14:14:00.000-06:00I live in Rocky View County and am one of Ted Mort...I live in Rocky View County and am one of Ted Morton's constitutents. My neighbours and I are circulating a petition calling on our MLA to stop pushing for this sort ridiculous descrimination. I'm hoping to get an opposition MLA to table it in the Legislature.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10290429.post-1156346558740909432006-08-23T09:22:00.000-06:002006-08-23T09:22:00.000-06:00Chris said: "it is not only supported by the major...Chris said: <I>"it is not only supported by the majority of the government caucus,"</I><BR/><BR/>Yes, that is clearly why a 62 member Caucus let 20 Opposition MLA's filibuster the Bill. Anyone who knows anything about Alberta Legislative politics will know that you just can't do it. <BR/><BR/>If the Tory Caucus supported it, it would be law right now.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10290429.post-1156346348718807142006-08-23T09:19:00.000-06:002006-08-23T09:19:00.000-06:00" Can I register and be introduced as a Conservati..." Can I register and be introduced as a Conservative who is opposed to the bill?"<BR/><BR/>Me too! I vote Tory in the last election and I think Bill 208 is awful!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10290429.post-1156300433134442372006-08-22T20:33:00.000-06:002006-08-22T20:33:00.000-06:00"It is unfortunate that leftwing activists have al..."It is unfortunate that leftwing activists have already moved from advocating rights for same-sex couples to attempting to take away rights from others."<BR/><BR/>or advocating against legislated discrimination...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10290429.post-1156300134978888052006-08-22T20:28:00.000-06:002006-08-22T20:28:00.000-06:00Thanks for posting this Dave. I'm going to email i...Thanks for posting this Dave. I'm going to email it out to all my friends.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10290429.post-1156294812154756822006-08-22T19:00:00.000-06:002006-08-22T19:00:00.000-06:00In response to doug:Why exactly should marriage co...In response to doug:<BR/><BR/>Why exactly should marriage commissioners, gay marriage, and opinions on homosexuality be the exceptions to the law? Shouldn't we have some justification for the exception?Gauntlethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05061438876627317881noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10290429.post-1156289845560731062006-08-22T17:37:00.000-06:002006-08-22T17:37:00.000-06:00The original post says, "Morton's bill as proposed...The original post says, "Morton's bill as proposed would legislate that 1. information about G/L/B/T not be allowed in schools, 2. marriage commissionaires could opt out of performing same-sex marriages, and 3. that a person expressing their opinion/ideas about homosexuality could not have a claim of discrimination brought against them."<BR/><BR/>1- wrong. just plain wrong.<BR/>2- it protects a commissioner from being prosecuted for declining to perform a SSM. Commissioners can refuse to perform marriages for any number of reasons, and should be allowed to include opposition to SSM as one of them.<BR/>3- it protects those who disagree with SSM from being prosecuted for holding those beliefs. I mean, after all, aren't we trying to be more tolerant of others?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10290429.post-1156289248464574872006-08-22T17:27:00.000-06:002006-08-22T17:27:00.000-06:00Anyone who truly believes in freedom of religion s...Anyone who truly believes in freedom of religion should be in favour of bill 208.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10290429.post-1156288687168401292006-08-22T17:18:00.000-06:002006-08-22T17:18:00.000-06:00Anyone who truely believes in equality for same-se...Anyone who truely believes in equality for same-sex couples should be in favour of same sex mariage. Take the bill down...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10290429.post-1156285690832744442006-08-22T16:28:00.000-06:002006-08-22T16:28:00.000-06:00So is it not my right to say that I disagree with ...So is it not my right to say that I disagree with same-sex marriage? Why is it that my right to disagree is being labeled as homophobic? I guarantee you I am not homophobic, but I disagree whole-heartedly. Why does this make me a bigot? Is it because it doesn't line up with your thinking? That sounds less tolerant than what I am saying.Rogerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13125543201677207265noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10290429.post-1156268129617529162006-08-22T11:35:00.001-06:002006-08-22T11:35:00.001-06:00Can I register and be introduced as a Conservative...Can I register and be introduced as a <B>Conservative</B> who is opposed to the bill?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com