tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10290429.post115653957452102456..comments2023-11-02T06:37:23.839-06:00Comments on daveberta.ca: let's stop ted morton's bill 208!davebertahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06822739409684978316noreply@blogger.comBlogger31125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10290429.post-1159898914956117092006-10-03T12:08:00.000-06:002006-10-03T12:08:00.000-06:00I completely agree with you, Emil Vargas. "I'll ...I completely agree with you, Emil Vargas.<BR/> "I'll be supporting it. Gays should not be setting the agenda in this country and acting like their lifestyle is normal. Its not. However what they do in their privacy, no one should care. All this bill does is prevent homosexuality from becoming mainstream and treated like its normal."<BR/>Exactly. Precisely. Too bad the bill didn't pass.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10290429.post-1157054472819573682006-08-31T14:01:00.000-06:002006-08-31T14:01:00.000-06:00Madman Morton is talking about bringing it back ag...Madman Morton is talking about bringing it back again...*Beats head against wall repeatedly*Glenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18076562758392176950noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10290429.post-1156815966300597662006-08-28T19:46:00.000-06:002006-08-28T19:46:00.000-06:00The tactics worked and the bill is dead for now, w...The tactics worked and the bill is dead for now, which is surely a good thing. Still, I would like to have seen the various Tory leadership wanna-be's pushed into a recorded vote on this issue. Mary Anne Jabonkers certainly made her position clear...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10290429.post-1156721674236500042006-08-27T17:34:00.000-06:002006-08-27T17:34:00.000-06:00I had an opportunity to ask Kevin Taft what the Li...I had an opportunity to ask Kevin Taft what the Libs were going to do about this Bill, and he didn't think it was going anywhere. He said there are many Conservatives that don't like the Bill and will be voting against it.<BR/><BR/>But its clear that Morton is using the Legislature as a way of increasing his profile for his leadership run. Shameful.<BR/><BR/>kgpAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10049966051667764746noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10290429.post-1156714119723244562006-08-27T15:28:00.000-06:002006-08-27T15:28:00.000-06:00I wrote an email to my MLA Harry Chase this mornin...I wrote an email to my MLA Harry Chase this morning. Let's hope this bill get's crushed on Monday!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10290429.post-1156713909344917382006-08-27T15:25:00.000-06:002006-08-27T15:25:00.000-06:00Agreed, Dave. The one thing I really don't like ab...Agreed, Dave. The one thing I really don't like about the same-sex marriage debate is that both sides usually end up yelling at each other rather than have a debate. I think this was the worst flaw of the Federal Civil Marriage Act debate. <BR/><BR/>I don't have a problem with gay marriage and don't really see a need for Bill 208, but I wish both sides (lefties and righties) would stop yelling!!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10290429.post-1156707889698577352006-08-27T13:44:00.000-06:002006-08-27T13:44:00.000-06:00okay, cool it down with the name calling, folks. I...okay, cool it down with the name calling, folks. <BR/><BR/>I believe Bill 208 is a bad and offensive peice of legislation and this post is about how you can stop it, not how you can insult Ted Morton and his ilk.davebertahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06822739409684978316noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10290429.post-1156707158048986212006-08-27T13:32:00.000-06:002006-08-27T13:32:00.000-06:00"Dave, if memory serves, your original post showed..."Dave, if memory serves, your original post showed something very different than the revised version. Yesterday it read that same-sexed marriage rights will not be taught in schools. Today it reads that it is optional."<BR/><BR/>Yeah, I amended the post to reflect the new amendments to the Bill.davebertahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06822739409684978316noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10290429.post-1156699782541854312006-08-27T11:29:00.000-06:002006-08-27T11:29:00.000-06:00I think there is a distinct difference about speak...I think there is a distinct difference about speaking ines personal opinions and being hateful and biggoted. <BR/><BR/>If this was only about peoples respectful opinions there would not be an issue - we'd discuss it openly and respectfully... but thats not the case.<BR/><BR/>This is more about a certain segment of our population (Namely the Christian Right) trying to irradicate any validity or acceptance of another segment of our population. It is hateful and intolerant.Allie Wojtaszekhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17288605727373925328noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10290429.post-1156664203506390882006-08-27T01:36:00.000-06:002006-08-27T01:36:00.000-06:00Dave, if memory serves, your original post showed ...Dave, if memory serves, your original post showed something very different than the revised version. Yesterday it read that same-sexed marriage rights will not be taught in schools. Today it reads that it is optional. <BR/><BR/>There is a hint of discrimination in the Act and it was probably introduced for the wrong reasons. However, it defends freedom of religous and moral values so there is no valid basis for opposition.Psycholshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14979824582570452278noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10290429.post-1156645713870543522006-08-26T20:28:00.000-06:002006-08-26T20:28:00.000-06:00For all the talk of not being like certain segment...For all the talk of not being like certain segments of American political culture we sure sound like them here: blind partisanship. If you support this bill you must be: bigoted, backward-looking, and a religious fanatic; if you're for it, you're progressive, tolerant, patriotic. Too bad generalized monoliths never hold water when scrutinized. For Canadians who are apparently more dialectic and dialogic than their American cousins, we sure sound as shallow in our comments and analysis. So much for substance, bring on the rhetoric!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10290429.post-1156644371993166112006-08-26T20:06:00.000-06:002006-08-26T20:06:00.000-06:00If this is Ted Morton's opinion of homosexuality i...If this is Ted Morton's opinion of homosexuality in education I wonder what his opinion of evolution in Education is? <BR/><BR/>Maybe Republican Ted would be better off in Kansas?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10290429.post-1156643083201512542006-08-26T19:44:00.000-06:002006-08-26T19:44:00.000-06:00Wow. Welcome to Kansas North.Wow. Welcome to Kansas North.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10290429.post-1156642962315964572006-08-26T19:42:00.000-06:002006-08-26T19:42:00.000-06:00The Bill has been ammended, but the ammendments do...The Bill has been ammended, but the ammendments don't make it any less offensive or discriminatory. <BR/><BR/>I think it's terrible that Ted Morton is using the bill to purely score up support in his bid for the PC leadership. Shame on Ted Morton.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10290429.post-1156642076597939452006-08-26T19:27:00.000-06:002006-08-26T19:27:00.000-06:00Daveberta, I support you on this 100%.Daveberta, I support you on this 100%.Jim (Progressive Right)https://www.blogger.com/profile/02023879211848227007noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10290429.post-1156634342910539412006-08-26T17:19:00.000-06:002006-08-26T17:19:00.000-06:00I am a lifelong Conservative voter. I don't think ...I am a lifelong Conservative voter. I don't think gay marriage is right, but that doesn't give me the right to discriminate against them. <BR/><BR/>Canadians need to be a tolerant society that doesn't allow minorities to be singled out and discriminated against. <BR/><BR/>Ted Morton's Bill 208 will allow self-ritious bigoted and backwards groups to discriminate against this minority. <BR/><BR/>Bill 208 is anti-conservative and anti-Canadian. It is simply another example of how the religious right is taking over the Conservative Party.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10290429.post-1156633746913257802006-08-26T17:09:00.000-06:002006-08-26T17:09:00.000-06:00I think I speak for all of those in the Progressiv...I think I speak for all of those in the Progressive Conservative Party when I say that I think this is a great bill. We can't let the Gays and special interests run our province.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10290429.post-1156633562028160172006-08-26T17:06:00.000-06:002006-08-26T17:06:00.000-06:00It's clear that our children are not smart enough ...It's clear that our children are not smart enough to think for themselves. If we don't allow our children to opt-out of these unsavory educations, the moral core of our society will rot. I say: Down with Public Schools! There is no room for anti-religious secularistic liberal/communist crusaders in our schools. Fully religious schools are the only solution! GOD IS THE ONLY WAY!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10290429.post-1156633460841686872006-08-26T17:04:00.000-06:002006-08-26T17:04:00.000-06:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10290429.post-1156618658532001112006-08-26T12:57:00.000-06:002006-08-26T12:57:00.000-06:00Man, I wish I could have opted out of Math when I ...Man, I wish I could have opted out of Math when I was in High School. Calculus offended my religious sensibilities.<BR/><BR/>Damn liberals. Trying to force their belief in "mathematics" down my throat.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10290429.post-1156618210109130902006-08-26T12:50:00.000-06:002006-08-26T12:50:00.000-06:00"Dave, I must say I'm surprised you'd post this, a...<I>"Dave, I must say I'm surprised you'd post this, after it was pointed out to you in the other thread that it's completely untrue. The bill only allows individual students to opt out of classroom discussions on SSM and gay issues, not ban them altogether."</I><BR/><BR/>So, a student in a public school can opt out the of the part of his/her Social Studies class that talks about Same-sex marriage and gay rights? What? This Bill would allow religious attitudes to determine what is taught in public schools. What's next? Students who don't like French people can opt out of the Quebec portion of social studies class? The Aboriginal portion?<BR/><BR/>The mentality that "if they don't know about it, it doesn't exist" leads to a closed minded and shallow society. Let's discuss it in the classrooms of our province. What is Ted Morton afraid of? Does he think that students will "catch the gay" if they know that there is such a thing in the outside world. What a smallminded idea.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10290429.post-1156606680536492082006-08-26T09:38:00.000-06:002006-08-26T09:38:00.000-06:00If this bill goes through it will soon be challeng...If this bill goes through it will soon be challenged. The government will then spend millions of dollars defending it - maybe all the way up to the Supreme Court. They will lose, but not before they spent millions of dollars of OUR money just to score a few political points.<BR/><BR/>And while I am on this rant, let me explain how the conservatives will also score points with their big supporters. Rather than allow lawyers who are already on the government payroll appear in court, they will retain a private law firm - probably the same law firm they retained for all the other court challenges that they lost (ie. the Vriend case). As I said earlier, they will pay this firm with our tax money, for a case they already know will lose. In return, this firm will make a sizeable donation to the conservative party. Nice little profit making scheme and it scores points with the ignorant right wing voters.<BR/><BR/>Not that I am bitter...<BR/><BR/>Gayle (a lawyer who knows of which she speaks)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10290429.post-1156604211524380152006-08-26T08:56:00.000-06:002006-08-26T08:56:00.000-06:001. information about gay, lesbian, bisexual, queer...<I>1. information about gay, lesbian, bisexual, queer or transgendered rights will not be allowed in schools.</I><BR/><BR/>Dave, I must say I'm surprised you'd post this, after it was pointed out to you in the other thread that it's completely untrue. The bill only allows individual students to opt out of classroom discussions on SSM and gay issues, not ban them altogether.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10290429.post-1156602381725095672006-08-26T08:26:00.000-06:002006-08-26T08:26:00.000-06:00I'll be supporting it. Gays should not be setting ...I'll be supporting it. Gays should not be setting the agenda in this country and acting like their lifestyle is normal. Its not. However what they do in their privacy, no one should care. All this bill does is prevent homosexuality from becoming mainstream and treated like its normal.Emiliohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11561766599794207314noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10290429.post-1156576817278352412006-08-26T01:20:00.000-06:002006-08-26T01:20:00.000-06:00I think most marriage commisioners are private ind...I think most marriage commisioners are private individuals who have earned the right to perform civil marriage ceremonies? I do not think they are public servants so they should not be obliged to implement public policy. <BR/><BR/>I say let the anti-gay activists say what they want. If we take away their freedom of speech, we take away our own.Psycholshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14979824582570452278noreply@blogger.com