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Wednesday, July 05, 2006

klein v. gore & american politics 101.

Tory Premier Ralph Klein once again proved to the world that his knowledge of American politics is limited to assumptions and jiggerypokery. Today, Klein called former US Vice-President Al Gore "about as far left as you can go," which is just plain wrong.

Here is the story:

"I don't know what he proposes the world run on, maybe hot air," Klein told reporters Tuesday. "I don't listen to Al Gore in particular because he's a Democrat. And not only that, he's about as far left as you can go.

"The simple fact is America needs oil. They need gas. And unless he can find some other source, fine."

Klein has stirred controversy in the past by rejecting scientific data suggesting industrial pollution is one of the leading causes of global warming.

He has even said global warming trends that occurred millions of years ago may have been caused by "dinosaur farts."
Not only are Klein's comments embarrassingly bush-league and uninformed, but they again point out his near complete lack of knowledge about American politics.

I would suggest that Klein, or one of his hundred minions in the Public Affairs Bureau, simply check out the Wikipedia entries on Gore and global warming (source: Internet). Then he might not have to resort to cheap personal attacks when he disagrees with someone - especially when he is supposed to be representing Albertans in foreign capitals.


Jim said...

I have a new level of disrespect for Ralph Klein now.

I didn't think that was possible.

Idealistic Pragmatist said...

About as far left as you can go? Gore? *blink*

Sam said...

"I don't listen to Gore because he's a Democrat"??? Wow, there's a world built on tolerance.

Jim said...

Yeah. Remember a couple of weeks ago when he glowed something like: "I will miss the give-and-take of the legislature, especially question period. While I may have strongly disagreed with the Opposition members, more often than not they raised intelligent questions."

Or something like that. He only plays tolerant when it suits him.

Anonymous said...

what a moron.

Anonymous said...

"I don't listen to Al Gore in particular because he's a Democrat."

Considering 48% of Americans voted for Kerry, it's a pretty stupid thing for Klein to say.

All Albertans should be embarassed at our Premier. Thank god he's leaving.

knsheppard said...

I agree, it's embarassing. At the same time, this is only the latest stupidity in a long history of idiocy. Ralph "the Dunce" Klein in stereo once more.

Anonymous said...

why is Klein in Washington anyway? When did he become Minister of Foreign Affairs?

Why is Harper in Washington today then in Klein has been there since last week?

What did Klein say that Harper will run up against?

Will Harper threaten Bush with losing the election like Ralph Klein?

Anonymous said...

Why not send Jim Dinning instead? Klein is a lame duck.

EX-NDIP said...

Why don't you share some of the scientific evidence of Global Warming . . . along with the Climate Scientists Names who "believe" there is a threat? I remember 60 Climatologists and Paleoclimatologists sent a letter to the PM a few months back. THAT WAS 60!!!! Not Club Sierra or Suzzuki (Zoologist) who are raking in millions with this Kyoto Fraud. Supply us with some real facts other than a glacier is melting in Africa (been doing that for 100 years). Did you ever make a highball with ice cubes in it???? If you are slow to drink it did it overflow the glass??? Not likely, but you dumbasses all believe it will . . . right!!!
Kyoto is bad science . . . just like Al's movie is in the same league as Michael Moore.

Some quotes of note:
* "They have cheated the case and I am angry about that, because that will come to our account. They use bad data, as well as for the Brent Spar as for the French nuclear tests. I am against nuclear tests, but one should use scientifical sound arguments….No, Greenpeace has harmed the environmental case."
Paul Crutzen, Nobel Prize winner for his work on the ozone layer,
cancelled his Greenpeace membership

* "If present trends continue, the world will be about four degrees colder for the global mean temperature in 1990, but eleven degrees colder by the year 2000….This is about twice what it would take to put us in an ice age."
Kenneth E. F. Watt on air pollution and global cooling, Earth Day 1970.

* "No matter if the science is all phony, there are collateral environmental benefits…. climate change [provides] the greatest chance to bring about justice and equality in the world."
Christine Stewart, Canadian Environment Minister, Calgary Herald, December 14, 1998

* "The answer to global warming is in the abolition of private property and production for human need. A socialist world would place an enormous priority an alternative energy sources. This is what ecologically-minded socialists have been exploring for quite some time now."
Louis Proyect, Columbia University

michael in calgary said...

The point isn't whether Climate Change is an issue, it's Klein's inability to defend his position without resorting to cheap personal attacks.

michael in calgary said...

and dumb and uninformed personal attacks at that.

Anonymous said...

You are a fool.

You are qouting a man who does not send his work to a peer reviewed journal first of all. There are many many theories on global warming, and that one is not supported by the majority of scientists. He does though believe in global warming, I find it curious you would offer a qoutation from someone who disagrees with your view. He just believes that smoke is protecting us from global warming (much like Rona Ambrose's smoke (and mirrors).

Then you quote Kenneth E. F. Watt from 1970. 1970? Really, you think this is current and pertinent to he discussion. This is science we are talking about, not history. At this point in human history we still had not understood plate tectonics.

You then proceed to quote a Alberta Conservative Environmental Minister (an oxymoron if there was one)from 8 years ago. No comment necessary as it is self explanatory given our current federal Environmental Minister.

Then you qoute someone obscure that has no pull at all in the scientific community. His view is one view on how to stop morons from destroying the environment through reckless ignorance of the world they live in. A view which has nothing to do with the science of global warming but is instead when political view of how to tackle the problem.

It's easy to copy and paste ex-NDP but the challenge is to actually read the works of these people if you trully intend to make a well thought, argument and proof based discussion.

Anonymous said...

On the topic of American politics, is anyone else planning to watch this tonight?

I can't wait to see "Red Democrat Joe" probably lose his own nomination. Reminds me of a few rookie Tory MP's not too distant futures...

Jim said...

I didn't get the chance to watch it, but I heard that nothing really earth-shattering happened, other than Lieberman throwing more shit Lamont's way in 1 hour than he has against Bush in 6 entire years. Which isn't too surprising, given how much practice that guy's gotten over the years by being sanctimonious towards fellow Democrats.

Anonymous said...

Facts be dambed.... Gore forgot to tell us that amount of natual gas that heats the house for 4 days ... now a barrel of oil, has the energy to heat the house about 14 times longer!!