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Wednesday, August 03, 2005

daveberta rebuked by the mighty alberta ndp

The mighty Alberta NDP Army marches on daveberta.

It seems that we may have struck a nerve with a recent post (now we know how Warren feels ;-)...

In our post titled, "raj resigning?" we mused about a rumour that we had heard from two separate individuals that ND MLA Dr. Raj Pannu may be planning to resign this fall to make way for Larry Booi to run in a by-election.

Now, we must reiterate, these are simply rumours. Rumours come and rumours go. Most of them actually die when they're left be. The editorial board at daveberta was perfectly fine in letting this post simply be that: one post.

One post, left to wither for eternity, forgotten in the archives of this great blog.

But alas, through the miracle of blog comment sections, the Communications Director of the Mighty Alberta NDP Caucus of 4, Ms. Shannon Phillips, has responded in full force to our post and the comments left by ourselves and your fellow daveberta readers.

Of course, we would never dream of letting daveberta's loyal readers miss out on such an exciting event. So, here is Ms. Phillips response in full to our post, followed by our response to Ms. Phillips.

Ms. Phillips Response:

"This is the most preposterous thing I have heard all day.

First, Raj is not resigning anytime soon.

Second, people have been lining up to contest the NDP nomination in Edm-Strathcona, for like, 5 years. There are lots of them. There are even some in the rumour mill that would rival Larry in the name rec department. Not that Larry is interested in running, at least not at this stage.

Third, it's a nice idea that the Libs could run a strong campaign, but nice ideas aren't what carries the day in politics. I suspect that when it comes to the next general election (or the one after that, one never knows, especially if Ralph retires sooner rather than later), the Strath NDP will have nominated someone of sufficient calibre that the Strath Liberals will have a hard time, as a central campaign, justifying putting money into that race (given the state of the finances, still after all these years since that disastrous MacBeth campaign), and the riding association will remain as moribund as it has been for the last few years.

Of course, the Liberals could just step up their fundraising efforts from corporate Alberta, which is certainly how they financed a large chunk of the 2004 campaign. Maybe Big Oil would be willing to bankroll someone?

Our response:
"Thanks for the post, Shannon.

Hope you at least enjoyed the rest of our blog!

First, thanks for so suspiciously promptly refuting our post.

Second, we're sure there are those who will run for the ND nomination in Strathcona when Raj resigns. We never challenged that.

Third, "nice ideas aren't what carries the day in politics" is why the Alberta NDP will never come even close to forming Government or Official Opposition in Alberta. But, seeing as how you are seem to be so connected with information on the Alberta Liberals, we'll just have to take your word for it. ;-)

Fourth, we don't speak for the Alberta Liberals or control their fundraising. If you don't like their methods, we suggest you call their office.


D :-)"

Perhaps the rumours are simply that, rumours. We're willing to accept that. But, it makes us wonder, if it was simply a chalked up rumour, then why is it even worth a response? Especially from someone as high in up the Alberta NDP echelons as Ms. Phillips?

Is the Alberta NDP hiding something?

    UPDATE: We thought "Jim's" response to Shannon was pretty fun:

    "Yes, the staggering financial power of the "Alberta Views"-backed Alberta Liberal Party is really indicative of the large piles of corporate cash they're rolling in, Shannon. [/sarcasm]

    Honestly, when Alberta Views magazine is your largest business backer, the case that the Alberta Liberal Party is fueled by corporate cash is weak at best. Corporations have better things to do with their money than buy the Alberta Liberal Party -- like buying the Progressive Conservative Association of Alberta, for instance.


AWGB said...

NDP? Who are they? They're from Ontario, right? :P

Anonymous said...

not sure. I think they might have won a seat or two back in the 1980's or 60's????

Robert McBean. said...

i'm humming along to that monty python song about spam...

raj handed over the leadership to brian mason with the clear intent that he was'nt running again. i'm pretty sure i heard him say that a number of times. if he steps down in mid term that would not surprise me at all.

daveberta said...

It wouldn't suprise me either, which is why I think it could be likely.

Anonymous said...

Dear Shannon Phillips,
Thank you for your post. It put a smile on my face. As the president of Edmonton-Strathcona for the Alberta Liberal Party, I am glad to know the NDP still has many over confident individuals, such as yourself. I would like to assure you personally that although the candidate your party elects may propose many ideas that begin with a dollar sign and end with a lot of zeroes, my candidate will have more than "nice ideas". I already have multiple candidates actively seeking our nomination, and these are people who believe in education and health care.
I appreciate your suggestion that "the riding association will remain as moribund as it has been for the last few years". Please continue to spread this rumour through your party circles, because it will lead to many of your volunteers staying home, and make my job that much easier.

Ken Lister
President, Edmonton-Strathcona Constituency Association of the Alberta Liberal Party

Anonymous said...

touché, Ken!

Who ever thought the Alberta NDP could afford to be that smug! Woo Hoo! 4 seats! :P


Allie Wojtaszek said...

"… if it was simply a chalked up rumour, then why is it even worth a response? Especially from someone as high in up the Alberta NDP echelons as Ms. Phillips?"

"High up in the NDP echelons?" That’s "the most preposterous thing I have heard all day!" With only FOUR MLA’s what on earth is high up anyways? Don’t make me laugh. Ms Phillip’s just has this much time on her hands. Scanning local blog posts for slights against the NDP (a fulltime job in itself I imagine) and responding to them in her trademark "I’m better and know more than you" fashion. It’s exactly this type of response that leads people to dismiss the NDP as anything but serious.

My addition to this rumour: I work with Dr Pannu’s neighbour and have it on good assurances that Dr and Mrs Pannu talk often of retirement and look forward to when he can retire. It appears he’d like to resign but is worried his party would fall apart without him. Seeing that Raj is the only thing that has kept this party going in Alberta, his worries are valid.

Someone catch Ms Phillips before she falls off her chair.

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Anonymous said...

Right on, Ken!

I won't believe Raj until he signs a reporter's notebook that says 3 3/4 years!

CFAC Library said...

The Alberta NDP is definately hiding something...